Sergey Sorokin and Arseny Brykin - about software production in Russia. Sergey Sorokin and Arseny Brykin - about software production in Russia Brykin and in Ruselectronics

Marina Kalinina: And now our regular column “Industrial Policy”. We talk about Russian enterprises who work in our country and even produce very competitive products. Today we have an unusual company. What they do cannot be touched with our hands, but we connect with their products and use them every day in our everyday life. This is the Eremex company, it produces products of mental labor, this is software. I'm visiting today general manager Eremex company Sergey Sorokin, and Arseny Brykin, deputy general director of the Ruselectronics company, member of the board of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia, head of the federal program “Work in Russia”. These industries are connected so closely that it is impossible to even imagine how one cannot exist without the other. Let's look at the story we filmed at Eremex, and then we'll talk in the studio.

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Marina Kalinina: Such wonderful people work for you, with a sense of humor and self-irony. Very good guys. We were unable to show the product or explain what it is. Tell us what it is used for, what is produced?

Sergey Sorokin:In practice we are talking about so-called systems computer-aided design CAD, and in this case we are talking about CAD electronics, that is, this is a kind of specialized software designed for designing various electronic devices. This CAD system includes various elements, in particular the circuit design mentioned here, a component library editor, topological design, output of the corresponding control program for CNC machines for production. That is, we provide an end-to-end electronics design cycle. And it so happened that in Russia we are now, perhaps, the only company that is engaged in this specifically as the creation of a commercial software product, end-to-end CAD electronics.

Marina Kalinina: Arseny, then a question for you. You're in yours electronic devices, the items you produce, are you still somehow trying to use Russian programs, or are we sticking with foreign ones for now?

Arseny Brykin:Of course we are trying. The only thing here is that we need to point out a fairly long period when we missed a lot from the point of view of industrial development, and also those EU machines on which both standardization and planned processes had already been carried out at radio-electronic enterprises, such as technological systems, automated process control systems, connecting them with CAD, and even wage systems. At those radio-electronic enterprises where we have retained this, the systems that my colleague is talking about are quite suitable, and we are making attempts to implement them correctly. Another question is how to make a modern radio-electronic system - and our holding produces a whole line of various components, products, devices, and systems - you need an extremely large number of CAD systems, libraries linked to each other, elements that need to be developed for many years, and systematically link both with each other and with the equipment on which this is produced. Therefore, of course, we are using it, working on this topic with the Ministry of Industry and Trade, introducing domestic software, and literally today a specialized conference opened" Information Technology in the Defense-Industrial Complex", where we actively discuss this, share our experience in this regard. But I will not hide, there are many problems here, and this is a slow path that we have to go through together with the developers.

Marina Kalinina: But the development process itself is also slow. After all, it has been in development for years. How long has it been developing our domestic software that you are working on?

Sergey Sorokin:It has been in development for more than 10 years, and one of the components, the so-called topological router printed circuit boards, it has been in development since the early 1990s. This is a truly science-intensive product that requires a lot of time to develop. When we started this business, many were surprised: “Why do you need this? There is free software on the market,” because we still have remnants of the mentality from Soviet times that you don’t have to pay for programs, at least you don’t have to pay many. Now this is changing, but, nevertheless, this factor also plays a role.

If for mechanical CAD we have approximately 80% of imported software in the country, then for electronic CAD, for electronic CAD almost 100% is imported, so a lot needs to be done here to change this situation.

Marina Kalinina: You say that programs have been developing for 10 years. What is there to live on during this time? People need to eat, employees need to be fed. They are so talented and smart.

Sergey Sorokin:In practice, this factor led to the fact that if earlier everyone large enterprise, mostly state-owned, had its own CAD department, had its own achievements, developments, almost all of them died over time, and practically no one remained. But we were lucky in that we were able to earn a little money by developing custom software, and plus we have a strategic investor, the Prosoft group of companies, which supported this development process for such a long time.

Marina Kalinina: What needs to be done in order to solve the program of our Russian, domestic software, this software? Why do so few companies want to invest in this and develop it? What, we don't have enough smart heads?

Arseny Brykin:There are plenty of smart heads, there are many of them and there is a fight for them. A very large number of graduates of our specialized universities are tasty morsels, tasty employees for our competitors. If you look at foreign developers - and Huawei , and IT centers Boeing, and IBM , - the largest and most effective centers, oddly enough, work in Russia on our brains. They are in Voronezh, and throughout the country in such scientific educational centers as Tomsk, Novosibirsk and St. Petersburg. Therefore, my answer to the topic of how to reverse this is the will of the state, the right approach to personnel, and systematic long-term work. This issue cannot be resolved in one or two years. Competitive products such as Synopsys, Mentor Graphics , if converted into man-hours, this amounts to a huge expenditure of human intellectual labor. And it is impossible to simply say that “We will do this now,” and in two days overcome this gap. This is a very lengthy process that cannot be implemented without public policy, in which the personnel component should be an important point.

What do our students learn? In the 1990s and 2000s, many rectors applauded and rejoiced when foreign companies opened laboratories. But, having learned in these laboratories at MTUSI, Bonch-Bruevich and other specialized universities, the formatted brain reproduces this in the workplace. If a student was trained in foreign CAD, then it is easy to imagine that, as an employee of our enterprises, our corporation, he will use foreign CAD. Therefore, personnel, once again personnel and presence in laboratories and universities.

Marina Kalinina: How far behind are we from the rest of the world today? Can we make up for this failure?

Arseny Brykin:I would not say that we have fallen behind in everything, because our developers are still the most talented and are able to overcome hardware and software systems maximum. After all, what can be done on super-fast processors or DACs and ADCs, our developers manage to do on another generation of software and hardware systems due to their ingenuity. As for the means of production - in this case CAD - this means many years of intellectual work, and here the lag is quite serious.

Marina Kalinina: Do you feel government support?

Sergey Sorokin:I'd like to first touch on the topic of lag. Overall, we are still behind in terms of functionality and feature set compared to the leading players, they have already been mentioned here. We are especially lagging behind in the area of ​​heavy PLM solutions. This is product lifecycle management ), control system life cycle product, which includes both CAD and document management system, and production processes, automation, and so on.

Arseny Brykin:And even logistics functions associated with the supply chain for the production of that product.

Sergey Sorokin:All this is monitored right up to warranty repair of products, all in the leading system. Here are the leading players Siemens, Dassault . Here we are also far behind. But little by little the situation is changing. If we talk about us, then some of our tools as part of our CAD system are in no way inferior to leading foreign manufacturers. Naturally, from the point of view of state support, it is, in any case, necessary, because here, on the one hand, it is necessary to stimulate demand for domestic software, and here state assistance can be very useful, and it is being implemented. And maybe direct support from manufacturers software It wouldn't hurt either. In principle, it is produced quite fragmentarily, but some unified system not felt.

In 2014, there was a rather ambitious program under the auspices of the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications to create engineering software; even consortia of domestic software manufacturers were formed who were ready to get involved in this work, but, unfortunately, the program was frozen for now due to the lack of resources from the state for these activities .

Marina Kalinina: One of the consumers, as I understand it, of your products is, after all, our Military-Industrial Complex (MIC). Do you cooperate with them, are they interested in developing Russian software? As I understand it, now all this is foreign. Even for security purposes, import substitution.

Sergey Sorokin:Yes, they are interested, at least at the level of top management and executives, because there really are problems of import dependence, and indeed our leading organizations in this area are trying to solve this problem through import substitution and searching for appropriate Russian software. Another thing is that there is still a certain inertia. It has already been mentioned here that starting from their student days, people get used to using imported software in a familiar way. And here this inertia needs to be broken, and this is not easy. Therefore, in this regard, we are working with our universities, we are ready to provide free software and teaching materials in order to organize some kind of educational process on domestic software.

The security issues of the military-industrial complex are of concern because many manufacturers of imported software directly declare that “We monitor the actions of our users via the Internet.” Many packages are launched and licensed online on foreign servers. And an acquaintance of mine who works for one of the leading IT companies in America, he said that the State Department actually discussed the idea of ​​expanding the sale of engineering software in Russia. And engineering software is the basis of progress and any development.

Marina Kalinina: If we talk about training personnel for further work both in your field and in the field of creating these boards in the electronics industry...

Arseny Brykin:We have a lot in common.

Marina Kalinina: …since you are the head of the federal program “Work in Russia”, it is very global, what is happening? Are students and schoolchildren interested in going into the industry to work, and are they ready, as they are trained in universities and institutes? Probably a question for you, because both you and you are recruiting personnel.

Arseny Brykin:We need to start, and we begin to work as in mass segment, and together with the Academy of Sciences, with Alferov, with his center, with MEPhI RAS. You need to start with very young 6-7 year old children. Even then, those future minds are visible who are able to think in ternary logic and those types of calculations to which ordinary mathematics taught in high school is not involved. The selection of stars must begin from a very early age.

As for dreams, they are formed according to the laws of psychology in the area of ​​7-12 years. And within the federal...

Marina Kalinina: What do they understand at 7 years old?

Arseny Brykin:They understand a lot. My son is six years old, and he already wants to be a military engineer, making unmanned aerial vehicles aircraft, he already knows how it works, and at the exhibition of only Almaz-Antey stands he could not leave for a long time, studying how it all works. And he understands with his brain that he is interested in this. Until the age of 12, a dream is formed, and then our task is to realize this dream.

And the third point, which is decided by the federal program “Work in Russia” - when you have oriented a growing citizen towards a profession, formed a dream in him, he has formed it himself - do not lose sight of this dream, bring him to the level of a professional, and do so so that he consciously chooses to work in Russian company, in Russian electronics, in Almaz-Antey, in Russian manufacturers CAD made this choice consciously, and did not move to our competitors on the western or eastern borders, and created competition for us, even while being on the territory Russian Federation. The fight for minds, for those who are stars at Russian Olympiads for schoolchildren and students occurs from a very early age; from the age of 10-12, those future Mendeleevs and Lomonosovs are visible, for whom we are already beginning to fight. And it’s good that we started to fight. Previously, we simply gave them away, and even paid money for government-funded internship programs, essentially packing up the brains and giving them to our foreign competitors.

Marina Kalinina: Are those who have worked there for some time coming back, or is that a problem?

Sergey Sorokin:There are those who return. We had at least two people who worked who returned. There are people who came to us from our competitors who worked, for example, in the same Mentor Graphics , V foreign companies. They came.

Arseny Brykin:Moreover, working on the territory of Russia, but for foreign competitors.

Sergey Sorokin:By the way, in the foreign offices of leading CAD developers, a lot of people from Russia and Ukraine work, including in leading positions. Therefore, we really have good brains, the education system at one time was designed precisely for raising this kind of stars, but there is a problem, because finding a good specialist is not so easy, and it all starts with education. Here we must invest a lot of effort in the education system.

Marina Kalinina: The question came: “Is your software in demand abroad?” From Perm region it has arrived. Are we selling something there?

Sergey Sorokin:We have customers in Japan, America, and Europe.

Marina Kalinina: Even in Japan they order ours?

Sergey Sorokin:Yes. The Japanese love to try something very specific and interesting. But there is also a fairly serious project related to the design of our own microcircuits, where, perhaps, we will do some custom work for a Japanese customer.

Marina Kalinina: Good luck to you in all your endeavors. I think we will talk about this topic more than once, because the topic is large, voluminous and very interesting.

Since we started our broadcast today with people, I want to end with people. Let's look at the production portraits, we called them, of the people who make this Russian software, these minds. And I thank you for coming to the studio today. Sergey Sorokin was our guest, the General Director of the Eremex company, Arseny Brykin, Deputy General Director of the Ruselectronics company, member of the board of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia. Thank you.

Academic degree: Doctor of Economic Sciences

participant of the encyclopedia "Famous Scientists"

1. Education:

In 2000 graduated from the radio engineering faculty of Vladimirsky state university. In 2003 got the second one higher education in the direction of “Management in an organization. Financial management" In 2006 awarded the degree of Candidate of Economic Sciences. In 2009 defended his doctoral dissertation on the topic “The influence of innovative logistics on the formation and implementation of industrial policy” and received an academic degree - Doctor of Economic Sciences.

2. Area of ​​scientific interests and scope of scientific activity:

One of the leading experts on macroeconomics; logistics; theories of long-term development of the Russian economy in the context of global technological changes; zone formation methodology free trade and a common economic and information space within Customs Union; modernization public administration industrial and economic development based on innovative and logistics approaches.

3. Scientific and administrative positions held:

Deputy General Director for strategic development, implementation government programs JSC "Ruselectronics" GC "Rostec".

Head of the Center for Research on Infrastructure Problems in Economics, ITKOR.

4. Participation in scientific councils, commissions, editorial boards:

Brykin A.V. is a member of the dissertation council at the Russian Chemical Technical University named after. Mendeleev, a member of the Academy of Military Sciences of the Russian Federation and the dissertation council at ITKOR, etc.

5. Scientific and pedagogical activities:

Brykin A.V. conducts active scientific and pedagogical activities in training specialists of higher professional university and postgraduate specialization at the Russian Chemical Technology University named after. Mendeleev, Moscow State University. Lomonosov, MIET, RUDN, MEPhI, etc.

6. Social activities:

Brykin A.V. is the Chairman of the Coordination Council of Developers and Manufacturers radio-electronic equipment, electronic component base and mechanical engineering products of the Union of Russian Mechanical Engineers LLC; Deputy Chairman of the Subcommittee for the Development of the Radioelectronic Industry of the RF Chamber of Commerce and Industry Committee on Industrial Development; member of the expert council for the development of enterprises of the military-industrial complex under the Industry Committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, etc.

Scientific publications:

Brykin A.V. is the author of more than 100 scientific publications on management, industrial policy and logistics, including eight monographs: “Formation of industrial policy based on logistics” (2007); "Innovative development light industry"(2007); “Transformation of industrial policy and management taking into account innovative and logistics approaches” (2007); “Modernization of industrial development management taking into account logistics approaches” (2008); “Transformation of industrial policy and management taking into account innovation and logistics approaches” (2008); “Innovation, industry, logistics” (2011); “Information and logistics infrastructure of markets for goods and services. Government regulation, methods, technologies and tools" (2012); “Logistics of the 21st century and a single Eurasian information space” (2014). The research results are in demand by the Government, a number of Federal ministries and departments, Regional Administrations of the Russian Federation, as well as enterprises and integrated structures of various industries.

Education

In 2000 graduated from the radio engineering department of Vladimir State University

In 2003 received a second higher education in the direction of “Management in an organization. Financial management"

In 2006 awarded the degree of Candidate of Economic Sciences

In 2009 defended his doctoral dissertation on the topic “The influence of innovative logistics on the formation and implementation of industrial policy” and received an academic degree - Doctor of Economic Sciences

Labor activity

11.2017 – to present	Director for External Communications of Ruselectronics JSC, Doctor of Economics.
03.2011 – to 11.2017	JSC " Russian electronics", Deputy General Director for Strategic Development, Implementation of State Programs, Deputy General Director - State Secretary of Ruselectronics JSC
03.2009 – 03.2011	Director of Authority Relations state power OJSC "Comstar - United Telecommunication Systems"
07.2008 – 03.2009	Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, Department of Shipbuilding Industry and marine technology. Head of Economics and Forecasting Department
08.2004 - 07.2008	Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia, chief specialist, leading consultant, leading advisor, deputy head of department of the Department of Technical Regulation and Metrology
12.2003 - 09.2004	JSC "Muromsky machine-building plant", Head of Planning and Economic Department
09.2000 - 10.2003	Savings Bank of the Russian Federation, chief electronics engineer, engineer of the computer science and banking automation department

Social activities

Chairman of the Coordination Council of Developers and Manufacturers of Electronic Equipment, Electronic Component Base and Mechanical Engineering Products LLC "Union of Russian Mechanical Engineers"

Deputy Chairman of the Subcommittee for the Development of the Radioelectronic Industry of the RF Chamber of Commerce and Industry Committee on Industrial Development

Doctor of Economic Sciences, expert on macroeconomics and methodology for the formation of free trade zones, modernization of public management of industrial and economic development based on innovative and logistics approaches.

He is the author of more than 100 scientific publications on management, industrial policy and logistics, incl. seven monographs (the last one was published in 2014 on the topic “Logistics of the 21st century and a single Eurasian information space”). Every year he takes part in scientific and industry conferences and is actively involved in teaching.

Deputy General Director - State Secretary of the Ruselectronics holding of the Rostec State Corporation Arseny Brykin was elected deputy chairman of the Expert Council for the development of the electronic and radio-electronic industry under the Committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on economic policy, industry, innovative development and entrepreneurship. The Council meeting took place on January 25 under the leadership of the First Deputy Chairman of the Committee, Vladimir Gutenev.

The meeting also discussed issues of ensuring import substitution and diversification of products of electronic and radio-electronic industry enterprises. In particular, the meeting participants discussed the main legislative and regulatory factors that determine the state and prospects for the development of the industry, as well as the initiative to legislatively assign to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation the functions of a state customer for the development, production, use, standardization and quality assurance of electronic components for weapons, military and special equipment.

“The Council’s decision is recognition of the results of the activities of the Coordination Council of developers and manufacturers of electronic components, electronic components and mechanical engineering products, which operates within the structure of SoyuzMash under my leadership. We still have a lot of work to do to develop the legislative and regulatory framework in the radio-electronic industry, in particular, the formation of amendments to Federal Law No. 275 and proposals for pricing products within the framework of the state defense order,” said A. Brykin.

In 2017, the Council also plans to develop regulations for the formation of safety stocks and the use of foreign-made electronic components, he added.

A. Brykin also noted that the Expert Council of the profile committee of the State Duma highly appreciated the results of the federal program “Work in Russia!” and events of the Ruselectronics holding to attract young specialists to the industry.

In particular, the meeting was attended by Deputy Director of the Department of Radioelectronic Industry of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Pavel Kutsko, General Director of the United Instrument-Making Corporation of the Rostec State Corporation Alexander Yakunin.

The Expert Council for the Development of the Electronic and Radioelectronic Industry is a permanent advisory body for scientific, legal, expert and information and consulting support for the activities of the State Duma Committee of the Russian Federation on Economic Policy, Industry, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship. Acting on a voluntary basis, the Council assists the Committee in the preparation of projects federal laws on legislative support for the development of enterprises in the radio-electronic industry. The Council’s tasks include analyzing the state and development of the radio-electronic industry, studying foreign experience, preparation of recommendations for the development and examination of bills related to the core area. The Council includes 29 representatives of leading organizations and radio electronics enterprises.